Parenting Book: 17 18 19 Redshirting Education
Based on the forthcoming book "17 18 19: Redshirting Education" by John Chavez
Bio of John Chavez
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Retired 20+ year High Educator, 27 years as a Football & Baseball Coach, Currently TV High School Football Commentator. Father of three adult sons, older two have graduated from college, youngest a sophomore in college.
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Parenting Book: 17 18 19 Redshirting Education
Episode 6: Nurturing Foundations for High School Success: Strategies, Challenges & Avoiding Dropping Out
What if the secret to your child's high school success started with the simple act of tidying up or fostering a love for learning? Join us as we explore the foundational skills children need from an early age to excel in high school and beyond. We promise you'll gain insights into how tasks like organizing and nurturing curiosity can pave the way for academic and social proficiency. Our discussion extends to digital literacy, where we stress the importance of modeling healthy tech habits, preparing kids for the social dynamics they'll face later.
Emotional intelligence is another pillar of our conversation, as we unpack practical strategies to teach children about emotions. You'll learn how expanding their emotional vocabulary and linking feelings to physical sensations can build resilience and self-esteem. Discover why open communication about sensitive topics like puberty and body image is vital, and how teaching assertiveness helps children resist peer pressure. We highlight the crucial role of parents as guides in modeling conflict resolution and assertive communication, fostering healthy relationships and a robust inner grit in their children.
Finally, we address the bigger picture of high school success, emphasizing the profound impact of socioeconomic factors. We examine the influence of early intervention programs and the importance of safe, engaging school environments with resources like mental health support. Community involvement is key, and we discuss how organizations and businesses can offer mentoring and career opportunities that reinforce the relevance of education. By the end of this episode, you'll understand the shared responsibility we all have in creating an equitable educational landscape, and how empathy and understanding can make a significant difference in a child's path to success.
All right, parents, let's talk high school.
Speaker 2:High school.
Speaker 1:I know it seems like forever away, right, when you're like knee deep in Legos and bedtime stories.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:But what if I told you that what makes kids successful in high school starts now?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Way earlier than you think, absolutely. So that's what we're going to be diving into today. We've got a ton of research about the challenges that teenagers are facing these days, and it's not just academics. We're talking social dynamics.
Speaker 2:We're talking the world of technology and even like body image, like, yeah, it could be really intense. And the thing is, like we all know, high school can be rough right. But what's fascinating to me is that the skills to like overcome those challenges they're developed like incrementally, starting when they're little oh really, yeah, like it's like it's like building a skyscraper you can't just like throw up the top floors, you have to like build a strong foundation okay.
Speaker 1:So like are we saying that teaching a five-year-old to like put their toys away is actually high school prep?
Speaker 2:in a way, yes, because that simple act is like laying the groundwork for them to learn time management and organization skills.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Right, think about it when they're little and you're like establishing those routines and like teaching them to take responsibility for their stuff. You're giving them that structure and like the self-discipline that they'll need.
Speaker 1:It's not just about like nagging them to clean their room. It's like we're giving them a life skill. Exactly Okay, I like that. It's not just about like nagging them to clean their room. It's like we're giving them a life skill. Exactly Okay, I like that. That's a game changer. And then what about academics? I mean, there's a pretty big leap from like finger painting to Shakespeare, right?
Speaker 2:Absolutely. But the foundation for academics is not just about you know, memorizing facts and figures.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's about fostering a love of learning, okay, like a genuine curiosity about the world.
Speaker 1:Okay, but how do you do that?
Speaker 2:And that's something you can cultivate right from the beginning.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm all about making learning fun, but how do you do that in a way that like actually translates to like being successful in high school?
Speaker 2:Okay, well, instead of like drilling them on, you know multiplication tables or whatever, right.
Speaker 1:Right, turn math into a game. Okay, like bake cookies with them and let them measure the ingredients Right. Or like build a fort and talk about geometry and spatial reasoning.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:When you tap into their natural curiosity and like, make it an adventure, you're setting the stage for them to embrace challenges and not shy away from them.
Speaker 2:I like that. So it's about making those connections to the real world.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, but what about the social jungle of high school? Yeah, all the peer pressure fitting in, all the drama.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:How do we prepare them for that?
Speaker 1:Well, the good news is, social skills are learned, they're not innate.
Speaker 2:Okay. And just like those other foundational skills, they're best built gradually. Okay, so what can we do now to like help them navigate that?
Speaker 1:Sure.
Speaker 2:That whole social maze later, because sometimes, honestly, the playground politics feel as intense as like a boardroom meeting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2:It starts with simple things like encouraging them to share, take turns and use their words to express their feelings early interactions are building blocks for empathy and communication, which are like crucial for navigating any social environment, whether it's the playground or the high school cafeteria.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's about like giving them the tools to build those relationships and to handle those conflicts that come up.
Speaker 2:Exactly Okay. Role playing different social situations can be really helpful.
Speaker 1:Oh, like how.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like, what do you say if someone's being mean? Or how do you stand up for yourself or a friend?
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:These might seem advanced for like a kindergartner, yeah, but even practicing them in a playful way, it plants those seeds of confidence and assertiveness. Right, you know.
Speaker 1:Okay, so we've covered time management. We've got academics and social skills, but what about technology? I mean our kids. They were like practically born with a smartphone in their hand. How do we even begin to prepare them for, like the digital world of high school and, honestly, beyond?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Technology. It's both a powerful tool and a potential minefield.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Especially for teenagers, and the key here is starting early with digital literacy.
Speaker 1:Digital literacy. So it's not just about like setting screen time limits.
Speaker 2:It's about so much more than that. It's about teaching them to be critical thinkers, responsible users and, like, savvy navigators of the online world.
Speaker 1:OK, that sounds great in theory. How do we do that with like a seven year old who thinks YouTube is life?
Speaker 2:Well, first remember that you are their role model. Oh, if you're constantly glued to your phone, they'll probably follow suit. Touche, so start by modeling healthy tech habits yourself. Okay, and then like, make tech a shared experience, co-view content with them, talk about what they're seeing online and encourage them to ask questions.
Speaker 1:It's about engaging with them.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:In the digital world.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Not just trying to like shut it out, exactly.
Speaker 2:And, as they get older, have those open and honest conversations about online safety, cyberbullying and the potential pitfalls of social media Right. The more you equip them with knowledge and critical thinking skills, the better prepared they'll be to navigate that digital landscape responsibly.
Speaker 1:I like that. So we've covered a lot of ground here Time management, academics, social skills, even that digital beast but I feel like there's one more piece of the puzzle, like teaching them to speak up for themselves.
Speaker 2:You're right. We've touched on it indirectly, but it's worth highlighting explicitly.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Self-advocacy is an essential skill for high school.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And honestly for life in general.
Speaker 1:Totally Okay. So, like, what exactly does that look like in high school? And like, more importantly, how do we start doing that now with our little ones?
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay. So imagine this your child is struggling in a particular subject, or like feeling overwhelmed by their workload.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:A self-assured student might approach their teacher, explain their challenges and ask for help or clarification. Right A less confident student might suffer in silence because they fear judgment or they feel like they're the only one who's struggling.
Speaker 1:Totally Mm-hmm. So how do we bridge that gap, like, how do we raise kids who are not afraid to speak up and like advocate for themselves?
Speaker 2:It starts by giving them a voice from a young age. Encourage them to express their opinions, even if they differ from yours. Let them make choices whenever possible, even like simple ones like choosing their outfit or their snack Right.
Speaker 1:Right, right. So it's about like empowering them to make decisions even at a young age.
Speaker 2:Exactly Right and, when they encounter challenges, guide them through the process of problem solving, help them identify the issue, brainstorm possible solutions and, like practice, communicating their needs clearly and respectfully.
Speaker 1:So it's about giving them the tools to like navigate those tricky situations and advocate for themselves, rather than us like swooping in and rescuing them every time.
Speaker 2:Exactly by fostering those self-advocacy muscles early on, you're equipping them with a sense of agency and confidence that will serve them well, not just in high school, but throughout their lives.
Speaker 1:This is all making so much sense. It's like we're building a toolkit for success, one skill at a time. But I'm curious are there any specific examples of how we can weave this into everyday life? Because I mean, my kid is more concerned with like who gets the blue cup than like negotiating with their teacher.
Speaker 2:Right. Well, think about those everyday interactions as opportunities for practice. Oh, Let your child order their own food at a restaurant.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:Explain their thinking when they're solving a problem, or even voice their opinion about a family decision.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:These might seem like small moments, but they're building blocks for assertive communication and independent thinking.
Speaker 1:Right, you know, I never thought of it that way. Yeah, so it's about seizing those little moments, yeah, to empower them to find their voice and use it.
Speaker 2:Exactly. And by doing so, you're not just prepping them for high school, you're setting them up for a lifetime of confidently navigating the world around them.
Speaker 1:This is mind-blowing stuff and I'm sure our listeners are eager to hear more about how to put these strategies into action. But first we need to take a quick break. Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with even more practical tips and insights to help you lay the foundation for your child's high school success and beyond.
Speaker 2:Sounds good and we are back. You know, as we've been unpacking all these like high school prep strategies, it's amazing to see how much of it really comes down to like fostering these core skills. Yeah, time management, communication, resilience.
Speaker 1:Uh-huh.
Speaker 2:Like starting when they're really young. Yeah, Time management, communication, resilience like starting when they're really young yeah. It's not about cramming information or drilling them with flashcards or anything like that. It's about creating a foundation for them to thrive as they get older.
Speaker 1:And I think what's really resonating with me is this idea of like weaving these lessons into everyday life.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:It's not about like adding more to our already overflowing plates.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's about being more intentional with the moments we already have.
Speaker 2:Absolutely yeah. And speaking of intentionality, let's talk about another crucial piece of the puzzle Emotional intelligence. This is something that plays a huge role in navigating all the ups and downs of adolescence, and it's something we can start nurturing now.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Emotional intelligence Right. So is this about like teaching our kids to identify their feelings and express them in a healthy way.
Speaker 1:That's a big part of it, yes, but it goes even deeper than that. When everyone's hormones are raging and the social dynamics are, just like, constantly shifting, yeah, being able to understand and like, navigate those emotional currents must be a superpower.
Speaker 2:It really is I mean think about it A teenager who can recognize when they're feeling stressed or overwhelmed is more likely to seek help or find healthy coping mechanisms overwhelmed is more likely to seek help or find healthy coping mechanisms. Someone who can understand and empathize with a friend's perspective is more likely to build strong, supportive relationships.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm convinced emotional intelligence is definitely going in the high school survival kit, absolutely, but like, how do we teach that? I mean, sometimes I struggle to understand my own emotions.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Let alone explain them to like a five-year-old.
Speaker 2:Well remember, it's a gradual process. Start by simply labeling emotions.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:If your child is upset, say you seem frustrated right now.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Help them connect those feelings to physical sensations Like do you feel your heart beating faster? Are your hands clenched?
Speaker 1:So we're helping them become aware of their own internal landscape.
Speaker 2:Exactly, and as they get older, you can start introducing more nuanced vocabulary for emotions.
Speaker 1:Uh-huh.
Speaker 2:Instead of just happy or sad, explore words like content, disappointed, anxious, excited.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:The richer their emotional vocabulary, the better equipped they'll be to understand and express themselves.
Speaker 1:This is fascinating stuff, and it makes me realize that we're not just prepping them for high school, we're equipping them with skills for life.
Speaker 2:Absolutely Emotional intelligence is crucial for success in relationships, careers, overall well-being.
Speaker 1:For sure, okay, so we've got emotional intelligence covered.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:What about all the other stuff that comes with adolescence, like the physical changes, the peer pressure, the inevitable drama? How do we prepare our kids for all of that?
Speaker 2:Well, as you said, adolescence is a time of immense change, both physically and emotionally, and while we can't field them from every awkward moment or social mishap, we can equip them with the tools to navigate those challenges with resilience and confidence.
Speaker 1:Okay. So what are those tools? Because, honestly, sometimes I feel like I'm back in high school myself when I see what my kids are dealing with.
Speaker 2:It starts with open and honest communication. Let's talk about those physical changes first. It might feel awkward, but having age appropriate conversations about puberty and body image is crucial.
Speaker 1:So no more shushing them when they ask where babies come from.
Speaker 2:Exactly, answer their questions honestly and directly. And remember this isn't just a one-time conversation, it's an ongoing dialogue. As they grow and their bodies change, their questions and concerns will evolve too.
Speaker 1:Right, and I imagine this is especially important in like the age of social media, where there are all these unrealistic beauty standards constantly bombarding them.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. That's where building a strong sense of self-esteem comes in.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Help them recognize that true beauty comes in all shapes and sizes and that their worth is not defined by their appearance.
Speaker 1:So it's about fostering that inner confidence Right. They can't be shaken by external pressures.
Speaker 2:Exactly, and that confidence will be invaluable when it comes to navigating peer pressure as well.
Speaker 1:Ah yes, peer pressure, that dreaded force that can make even the most level-headed teenager do things they wouldn't normally consider.
Speaker 2:It's a powerful force indeed, but we can arm our kids with strategies to resist it.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Start by role-playing different scenarios. What do you say if someone offers you drugs or alcohol, right? How do you stand up for yourself if someone is pressuring you to do something you're not comfortable with?
Speaker 1:So we're giving them the scripts Right and the confidence to assert their boundaries.
Speaker 2:Exactly, and it's also about helping them understand that it's okay to be different, to have their own opinions and values, even if they don't align with the crowd.
Speaker 1:Because, ultimately, fitting in shouldn't come at the cost of compromising their integrity.
Speaker 2:Precisely. And that leads us to another crucial element of navigating adolescence building healthy relationships.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because, let's face it, high school is a breeding ground for all kinds of relationships. Friendships first, loves, frenemies, right, you name it.
Speaker 2:And while we can't choose our children's friends for them, we can help them develop the skills to form healthy, supportive relationships.
Speaker 1:Okay, so what does that look like in practice?
Speaker 2:It starts with modeling healthy relationship dynamics ourselves. Okay, how do we communicate with our partners, our friends, our family members, right? Are we respectful, empathetic, supportive? Our children are watching and learning from us, even when we don't realize it.
Speaker 1:That's a powerful reminder. So we're not just talking the talk, we're walking the walk.
Speaker 2:Exactly, and we can also equip them with specific skills like conflict resolution, active listening, assertive communication. Yeah, these are tools that will serve them well in any relationship, romantic or otherwise.
Speaker 1:It's about giving them the foundation to build strong, healthy connections.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Even amidst the drama and chaos of high school.
Speaker 2:Exactly. And speaking of drama and chaos, let's not forget about the importance of fostering resilience.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because, let's face it, adolescence is full of ups and downs.
Speaker 1:For sure.
Speaker 2:There will be heartbreaks, disappointments, setbacks.
Speaker 1:And it's in those moments when they're feeling defeated or discouraged that resilience becomes like their superpower.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, and that's a muscle we can start strengthening now.
Speaker 1:Okay, but how do we teach resilience to a child who throws a tantrum when they don't get the blue cup?
Speaker 2:Well, it starts with how we respond to those tantrums, or any setbacks for that matter.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Instead of immediately swooping in to fix the problem or shield them from discomfort, we can guide them through the process of coping with those difficult emotions.
Speaker 1:So it's about letting them experience those bumps in the road, but giving them the tools to navigate them.
Speaker 2:Exactly Help them identify their feelings, brainstorm possible solutions and remind them that, even though it's hard right now, these feelings will pass.
Speaker 1:So we're teaching them that setbacks are a part of life, but they don't define us.
Speaker 2:Precisely, and by doing so, we're fostering that inner strength and grit that will help them bounce back from challenges.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Whether it's a bad grade, a lost game, a broken heart.
Speaker 1:Wow, we've covered so much ground today. Yeah, it's amazing to see how all these skills are interconnected.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And how those seemingly small moments of childhood can actually lay the foundation for high school success and beyond.
Speaker 2:It really is, and you know, as we wrap up this deep dive, I think it's important to emphasize that we're not just talking about academic social skills or even emotional intelligence. We're talking about raising well-rounded human beings.
Speaker 1:It's a beautiful way to put it, but before we get all misty-eyed, I'm curious to hear your thoughts on like how parents can support their kids' individual interests and passions, because high school is also a time for exploration and discovery right.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, and that's where extracurricular activities, hobbies and passions come in.
Speaker 1:Okay, so we're talking about sports, music, theater clubs.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:All those things that make high school feel like more than just a place to study.
Speaker 2:Exactly, and these activities can be incredibly enriching.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Offering opportunities to develop new skills, build confidence, find their tribe. But it's important to approach them with a sense of balance.
Speaker 1:Balance, so we're not signing them up for every club and sport under the sun.
Speaker 2:Not necessarily.
Speaker 1:While it's great to encourage exploration, it's equally important to avoid overscheduling and burnout, because, even though these activities, can be awesome, they shouldn't come at the expense of their well-being or academic success.
Speaker 2:Exactly so. Help them prioritize, encourage them to try different things, but also to recognize their limits.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:It's okay to say no sometimes, and it's better to focus on a few activities they truly enjoy rather than spreading themselves too thin.
Speaker 1:It's about finding that sweet spot between passion and practicality.
Speaker 2:Precisely and remember, these activities are not just about trophies or accolades. They're about fostering a love of learning, building resilience and developing a sense of purpose and belonging.
Speaker 1:That's a powerful message.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it makes me realize that we're not just prepping them for high school, we're preparing them for a life.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Filled with passion, purpose and meaningful connections.
Speaker 2:Beautifully said and you know, as we wrap up this part of our conversation, I think it's important to acknowledge that even with the best preparation, high school can still be a roller coaster ride. Oh yeah. There will be challenges, setbacks and moments of self-doubt.
Speaker 1:For sure, and I think it's important for us as parents to remember that. Yeah, to offer our kids grace and understanding, even when they make mistakes or face disappointment.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, and to remind them that we're here to support them, to cheer them on and to help them navigate the ups and downs of adolescence.
Speaker 1:This has been an incredible conversation and I'm sure our listeners are feeling empowered and inspired to start putting these strategies into action. Before we dive into the final part of our deep dive, we need to take a quick break. Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with even more practical tips and insights to help you equip your child for high school success and beyond. All right, we are back and ready to like wrap up this epic deep dive into prepping our little ones for high school. I don't know about you, but I feel so much more like empowered, like I actually have a roadmap for navigating these next few years.
Speaker 2:I'm so glad to hear that and you know, as we've been talking about, it's not about like turning our kids into mini adults or pressuring them to be perfect. It's about giving them the tools and the support to navigate the challenges and the opportunities of adolescents with confidence and resilience.
Speaker 1:It's about setting them up for success, not just in high school, but in life.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:And I think that's a message that, like every parent, can get behind.
Speaker 2:For sure. So, as we wrap up, I want to leave our listeners with a few key takeaways.
Speaker 1:Okay, give us those golden nuggets of wisdom.
Speaker 2:Okay, first and foremost, remember that this is a marathon, not a sprint.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:There's no magic formula or one size fits all approach. It's about making those like small, consistent efforts over time to build those foundational skills and foster those positive habits.
Speaker 1:So no need to panic if our five-year-old still can't tie their shoes or recite the periodic table.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:We're playing the long game here.
Speaker 2:We are. Second, remember that you are your child's greatest role model.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:The way you handle stress, setbacks and even your own emotions.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:It's teaching them valuable lessons, whether you realize it or not.
Speaker 1:That's a powerful reminder to practice what we preach. So self-care isn't just for us, it's for our kids too.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. When you prioritize your own well-being, you're showing them that it's okay to take care of themselves, to set boundaries and to seek support when they need it.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's two down. What's the third key takeaway?
Speaker 2:Okay. Third, remember that every child is different. What works for one might not work for another, so pay attention to your child's individual strengths, challenges and interests.
Speaker 1:So it's about embracing their uniqueness Right and tailoring our approach to fit their needs.
Speaker 2:Exactly and finally remember that this is a journey you're taking together. Ah, there will be bumps along the way, there will be moments of frustration, but there will also be moments of joy, pride and connection.
Speaker 1:It's about embracing the adventure, even with all those twists and turns.
Speaker 2:Exactly, and remember you don't have to do this alone.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:There are so many resources available to support you Books, articles, websites, podcasts like this one, even other parents who are going through the same thing Right, reach out, connect and know that you've got this.
Speaker 1:That is such a reassuring message and I think it's the perfect note to end on. So, to all the parents out there listening, remember that you're not just prepping your child for high school. You're equipping them for a lifetime of success, happiness and fulfillment, and that's the greatest gift you can give.
Speaker 2:Couldn't have said it better myself.
Speaker 1:And that's a wrap for this deep dive. Until next time, keep learning, keep growing and keep those conversations going. Welcome back, everybody, to another deep dive. We are going to be exploring something today that I think you'll find really interesting.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's the factors that influence whether a student graduates high school. Oh wow, and you know what?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It might sound a little crazy, but one of the things that really jumped out at us was how important those early years are. Right, like we're talking elementary school, specifically third grade, okay and specifically their math skills. Oh, that's, interesting I know right, yeah, sounds kind of wild.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like what does that have to do with anything? Right, we've got some research articles, okay, and data, all right. So we're going to dive into all of this together and see what we can learn.
Speaker 2:Sounds good, so let's. It is fascinating how interconnected all this is. You know, we're not just talking about grades.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:It's a whole web of influences.
Speaker 1:Okay, so let's dive into that web then.
Speaker 2:Okay. I guess the most obvious thing would be academic performance right, yeah, students who are struggling in school are probably more likely to drop out. Absolutely, we actually have data to back that up. So the National Center for Education Statistics? Oh, yeah, the NCES, yeah, the NCES.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:They found that students who aren't performing at grade level, particularly in math and reading, by third grade, are much more likely to disengage from school and eventually drop out.
Speaker 1:So early intervention is crucial then.
Speaker 2:Very yeah, very much so.
Speaker 1:But it makes you wonder, though, like if a child is already facing a lot of challenges at home you know things like poverty, Right. How much harder is it for them to stay on track?
Speaker 2:That's a really good point.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And that's where we see those socioeconomic factors coming into play. Okay, the Annie E Casey Foundation found that students living in poverty are more than six times more likely to drop out of high school compared to their peers from higher income families. Wow, poverty just adds a whole other layer of challenges, making it that much harder to focus on school.
Speaker 1:It's almost like starting a race several steps behind, yeah. And then you add in factors like parental education levels.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:If a student's parents didn't graduate, are they statistically more likely to drop out too.
Speaker 2:Unfortunately, yes, wow, and this creates this cycle that can be really tough to break.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, so we've got these kind of individual and family dynamics at play, but what about the school environment itself?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Does that have an impact? On graduation rates.
Speaker 2:You bet it does.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Think about a school where bullying is a constant problem, where students don't feel safe or where there just aren't enough counselors to provide support Right. The NCES data shows that these negative environments can really push students away from school.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it makes you realize that schools need to be more than just places to learn.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:They should be safe havens, yeah, where every student feels seen and valued.
Speaker 2:Absolutely Right. Every student deserves that A learning environment where they feel safe and supported.
Speaker 1:Supported and like they belong.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And then, of course, you have personal and social factors that come into play.
Speaker 2:Right Things like teen pregnancy or mental health issues or even becoming a parent at a young age.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:All of these things can make staying in school incredibly challenging, wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:These are really difficult situations that many students are facing.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, and I think it's crucial to approach these issues with empathy and understanding.
Speaker 1:For sure.
Speaker 2:We need to remember that behind these statistics are real individuals navigating incredibly complex lives.
Speaker 1:Right yeah, so we've talked about individual challenges.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Family situations and the school environment, Right. But remember, at the very beginning we mentioned something kind of fascinating about early math skills. You ready to unpack that a little?
Speaker 2:Yes, I am.
Speaker 1:All right. So remember that Annie E Casey Foundation study we discussed.
Speaker 2:I do One of their most striking findings. Okay.
Speaker 1:That students who aren't proficient in math by third grade are four times more likely to drop out of high school. Wow, isn't that crazy? That is huge.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's not just that study.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Chapin Hall at the University of Chicago.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Has also done research showing a strong link between early academic performance, including math.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:And long-term educational outcomes.
Speaker 2:So those early math skills are really laying a crucial foundation for everything that comes later.
Speaker 1:It's like a building block.
Speaker 2:Think are really laying a crucial foundation for everything that comes later. It's like a building block. Think of it this way Math is like a building block for so many other subjects. It's essential for science, technology and countless other fields. If you don't have those foundational math concepts down early on, it becomes that much harder to succeed in more complex subjects later.
Speaker 1:And if you're already dealing with disadvantages like poverty or lack of support at home falling behind in math early on can trigger that domino effect.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:That impacts your entire educational journey.
Speaker 2:It creates a cascade of challenges that can be incredibly difficult to overcome.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, so we've seen that early math skills play a critical role, right Often underestimated, yes, in a student's long-term academic success. Exactly, but why though?
Speaker 2:That's a good question.
Speaker 1:What is it about math?
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:That has such a profound impact.
Speaker 2:I think that's where things get really interesting.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Math isn't just about numbers. It's about developing these crucial cognitive skills.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Like problem solving, logical thinking and abstract reasoning.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:These skills are transferable to so many areas of life.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Which makes them essential for success beyond just the classroom.
Speaker 1:So it's almost like math provides a framework yeah, for learning and understanding the world around us Exactly.
Speaker 2:And when students develop these skills early on it sets them up for success in a wide range of subjects and prepares them to tackle complex challenges throughout their lives.
Speaker 1:Okay, so we're starting to see how all these pieces fit together.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right.
Speaker 1:Academic struggles.
Speaker 2:Right Poverty.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the school environment.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:And even these surprising early math skills.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:They all intertwine.
Speaker 2:They do.
Speaker 1:To impact a student's journey toward high school graduation.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Okay, but we're not just exploring this issue for the sake of it.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:The big question is why is graduating high school so important in the first place?
Speaker 2:That's the key question.
Speaker 1:Yeah. What are the real world implications?
Speaker 2:Well, you probably won't be surprised to hear that there's a significant earnings gap between high school graduates and those who don't graduate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we all know that.
Speaker 2:Right, but we're talking about a real, tangible difference in income over a lifetime.
Speaker 1:Right, but it's about more than just earning potential too.
Speaker 2:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 1:What about the other benefits that come with graduating?
Speaker 2:Graduating high school is about so much more than just a piece of paper. It's about opening doors to opportunity, setting yourself up for a better future and having the chance to contribute to society in meaningful ways.
Speaker 1:So it's not just an individual accomplishment. It's about contributing to the well-being of our communities as a whole.
Speaker 2:Precisely Okay, and the data really underscores this point. Okay. So, for example, let's take a look at unemployment rates. They're significantly higher for those without a high school diploma and, sadly, studies show that those who don't graduate are also more likely to rely on public assistance and face higher incarceration rates. It paints a pretty stark picture of how much graduating can impact a person's life trajectory.
Speaker 1:Wow, those are some powerful statistics.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we can't forget about the impact on overall well-being.
Speaker 2:Right Research has shown that individuals who don't graduate high school have a shorter life expectancy Wow and are more likely to experience chronic health problems.
Speaker 1:It's amazing how intertwined education is.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:With so many aspects of a person's life.
Speaker 2:It really is.
Speaker 1:Like it's not just about academics.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:It's about opening doors to a healthier and more fulfilling life.
Speaker 2:Exactly. It's about empowering individuals.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:To reach their full potential and contribute to society in meaningful ways.
Speaker 1:Okay, so we've established that graduating high school is crucial.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:For individual well-being.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And societal progress, mm-hmm. But now we need to shift our focus to solutions. What can we do to support struggling students?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the key question.
Speaker 1:And help them achieve this milestone.
Speaker 2:We've laid out the challenges and now we need to explore potential solutions. We'll need to look at this from different angles.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:What can be done at home, in schools and within our communities as a whole.
Speaker 1:So it's a multifaceted approach.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:We need to address these issues from every direction.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Let's start by revisiting the importance of early intervention.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Particularly for those struggling with those foundational math skills we talked about earlier. Right, what kind of programs or initiatives can make a real difference in those crucial early years?
Speaker 2:That's where we'll pick up next time. Great yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm already eager to dive into those solutions and see what we can learn. Yeah, thanks for joining us on this deep dive so far, and we'll be back soon to explore the path forward.
Speaker 2:Sounds good.
Speaker 1:Welcome back to the deep dive.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Last time we were talking about some of the connections between, you know, academic performance, socioeconomic factors and a student's chance of graduating high school.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was pretty eye-opening.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we uncovered some really interesting stuff, yeah.
Speaker 2:We did and we stumbled upon a very surprising correlation.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The power of early math skills yes, specifically by third grade.
Speaker 1:Right and we left off wondering what can be done to actually help struggling students.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the question.
Speaker 1:Reach that milestone of graduation.
Speaker 2:What can we do?
Speaker 1:Where do we even begin?
Speaker 2:Well, I think, as we discussed earlier, early intervention programs can be incredibly effective. Right Things like high-quality preschool, for instance, can really lay a solid foundation for a child's educational journey.
Speaker 1:What about targeted interventions? Yes, like tutoring programs or summer learning opportunities. Absolutely, can those help students who are already falling behind?
Speaker 2:Those can be game changers, okay, especially for students who need that extra support in crucial subjects like math and reading.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:These programs can not only help them catch up, but also build confidence and a sense of accomplishment.
Speaker 1:So we're talking about providing academic support early on. Early on To prevent that those domino effects, yes, those cascades of challenges.
Speaker 2:Exactly that make graduating harder.
Speaker 1:But remember, it's not just about academics.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:We also need to consider those socioeconomic factors that can create such significant barriers for students.
Speaker 2:You're bringing us back to the reality that for many students, school is just one piece of a much larger puzzle. Exactly they might be dealing with poverty.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Unstable housing, lack of access to basic necessities. Absolutely and all of those things can make it incredibly difficult to focus on schoolwork.
Speaker 1:So much harder.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we need to think about how we can provide support beyond the classroom. Yes, so things like affordable housing initiatives, access to health care, maybe even job training programs for parents.
Speaker 1:All of these can contribute.
Speaker 2:Yeah, creating a more stable and supportive environment.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 2:For families, which in turn can help students succeed in school.
Speaker 1:It's about addressing the root causes of these challenges.
Speaker 2:Not just the symptoms.
Speaker 1:Right, and let's not forget about the crucial role that schools themselves play in all of this.
Speaker 2:Yes, we need to create learning environments that are safe, supportive and engaging for all students.
Speaker 1:So we're talking about things like anti-bullying programs.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Mental health resources.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Obust counseling services.
Speaker 2:All of these are critical components of a healthy school environment. We also need to ensure that teachers are well-equipped to support students from diverse backgrounds and with varying learning styles, and this might involve professional development opportunities that focus on culturally responsive teaching practices and strategies for differentiating instruction.
Speaker 1:It's about recognizing that one size doesn't fit all.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:When it comes to education, right A student has.
Speaker 2:Unique needs and challenges.
Speaker 1:Unique needs and challenges.
Speaker 2:We need to move away from a standardized approach.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And embrace individualized learning.
Speaker 1:Speaking of individual needs.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:You mentioned something earlier about developing cognitive skills and self-control. Yes, in high school seniors.
Speaker 2:The research we reviewed really highlighted those as being crucial for academic success.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And I think that giving students opportunities to develop these skills, maybe through project-based learning or inquiry-focused activities, could be really beneficial, particularly in STEM fields.
Speaker 1:So it's about moving beyond traditional lectures and textbooks and creating more engaging and interactive learning experiences.
Speaker 2:Exactly when students are actively involved in their learning, they're more likely to retain information and develop those critical thinking skills that are so essential for success in college and beyond.
Speaker 1:Okay, so we've covered early intervention.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Addressing socioeconomic factors and creating supportive school environments.
Speaker 2:Right right.
Speaker 1:But what about the broader community? What role can community organizations and businesses play in supporting students?
Speaker 2:I think this is where things get really exciting. We can create a web of support that extends far beyond the classroom. Community organizations can provide essential services like after-school programs, mentoring initiatives and volunteer opportunities. These programs can help students develop social skills, build relationships with positive role models and explore their interests.
Speaker 1:It's about giving students that extra support system. Yes, especially those who might not have strong support at home.
Speaker 2:It takes a village, as they say.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And businesses can play a vital role as well.
Speaker 1:Okay, how so?
Speaker 2:By offering internships, apprenticeships and job shadowing opportunities. Okay, these experiences can expose students to different career paths.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Help them develop valuable skills and show them how what they're learning in school connects to the real world.
Speaker 1:It's about bridging that gap.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Between the classroom and the workplace. Exactly, and students, see the relevance.
Speaker 2:Showing them the workplace Exactly, getting students to see the relevance, showing them the possibilities Right and inspiring them to pursue their dreams.
Speaker 1:So we've got these big picture solutions Early intervention.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Family support School reform.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Community partnerships.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:But I'm also thinking about individual actions.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Yes. What can we do in our everyday lives to support students?
Speaker 2:I think that you don't have to be a policymaker or a CEO to make a difference. Okay, even small acts of kindness can have a ripple effect.
Speaker 1:Like what specifically?
Speaker 2:Well, you could volunteer at a local school.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:You could mentor a young person, you could donate to a program that supports school. Okay, you could mentor a young person, you could donate to a program that supports students.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:You could even just offer a listening ear to a student who's struggling.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Sometimes just knowing someone cares, yeah Can make all the difference.
Speaker 1:It's a good reminder that we all have a role to play Absolutely In creating a more supportive yeah. And equitable educational landscape.
Speaker 2:It's about fostering a sense of shared responsibility and understanding that the success of our children is interconnected with the well-being of our communities as a whole.
Speaker 1:This has been a really insightful conversation.
Speaker 2:It has.
Speaker 1:We've covered so much ground we have From understanding the challenges students face to exploring practical solutions, it feels like we've gained a much deeper understanding of this complex issue.
Speaker 2:We've certainly delved into the intricacies of high school graduation rates and the many factors at play.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but there's one crucial element that we haven't touched on yet.
Speaker 2:What's that?
Speaker 1:The power of personal stories.
Speaker 2:Oh, you're right.
Speaker 1:Hearing from students. Yes, right, exactly.
Speaker 2:Their stories can provide valuable insights.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And illuminate the human impact of the issues we've been discussing.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So for our final segment, we're going to introduce you to a remarkable individual who defied the odds and achieved his high school diploma despite facing incredible obstacles.
Speaker 1:I'm so eager to hear this. Yes, stay tuned. Welcome back to the Deep Dive.
Speaker 2:Yes, welcome back.
Speaker 1:We spent this episode talking about the things that influence high school graduation rates.
Speaker 2:We have.
Speaker 1:And we've learned some pretty amazing things from you know the power of early math skills.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:To the crucial role of community support.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:But we also talked about moving beyond the statistics, yes, and really understanding the human impact All right Of these issues.
Speaker 2:Exactly, and that's why we wanted to share a personal story today.
Speaker 1:I'm ready for this.
Speaker 2:That really embodies resilience and determination.
Speaker 1:It's one thing to talk about all the challenges and the solutions, but to hear from somebody who has lived through it really has a whole other dimension to our understanding.
Speaker 2:So we were fortunate enough to connect with a young man named Michael, who faced incredible obstacles.
Speaker 1:Okay, so tell me about Michael.
Speaker 2:On his path to graduation. Michael grew up in a low-income neighborhood where educational opportunities were very limited. He faced a lack of resources at home and attended an underfunded school that struggled to provide adequate support for its students.
Speaker 1:So, right from the start, he was facing an uphill battle. Yeah, he was. Those socioeconomic factors that we talked about Absolutely Were at play in his life.
Speaker 2:From the very beginning.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and like we discussed, those, early years are so crucial.
Speaker 2:They are.
Speaker 1:Michael struggled in elementary school, yeah, particularly with math, which, as we know, can have a really significant impact.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:On future academic success.
Speaker 2:It's like that cascade effect we talked about.
Speaker 1:Right. One challenge leads to another Right, and it becomes more and more difficult to break free, to break free from that cycle. So what was the turning point for Michael?
Speaker 2:Well, in middle school, Michael had the good fortune of meeting a dedicated teacher who saw his potential and refused to let him fall through the cracks.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:This teacher went above and beyond providing extra help after school.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Connecting Michael with tutoring resources.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And simply believing in him when he doubted himself.
Speaker 1:That's amazing. It is You're like a perfect, amazing. It is Like a perfect example it is Of how individual actions can make such a profound difference. One person's dedication and belief can change the trajectory.
Speaker 2:Can literally change a young person's life.
Speaker 1:Of someone's life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and for Michael, that teacher's support was the catalyst he needed. Wow With this newfound confidence and academic support. Yeah, and for Michael, that teacher's support was the catalyst he needed Wow With this newfound confidence and academic support. Okay, michael began to excel in his classes. He discovered a passion for science. Oh wow, and even joined the school's robotics club.
Speaker 1:So it sounds like he found a place where he felt valued and supported Exactly A place where he could explore his interests and thrive.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that sense of belonging and purpose.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Made all the difference. Wow, michael went on to graduate high school with honors.
Speaker 1:Wow, good for him.
Speaker 2:And is now pursuing a degree in engineering.
Speaker 1:That's an awesome story. It really is. It's a powerful reminder that, no matter the obstacle, success is possible.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:With the right support.
Speaker 2:And a belief in oneself.
Speaker 1:And a belief in yourself.
Speaker 2:Michael's story really highlights the importance of those solutions we discussed. Early intervention, strong mentorship, a supportive school environment All of these things can really transform lives.
Speaker 1:Michael's story is so inspiring. It is, and it really brings this whole conversation story is so inspiring it is and it really brings this whole conversation full circle for me.
Speaker 2:It does.
Speaker 1:You know it's easy to get bogged down in the statistics and the complexities of the issue, but hearing about real people who've overcome these challenges gives me so much hope.
Speaker 2:Me too. It reminds us that change is possible.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And that even small actions can have a ripple effect.
Speaker 1:So, as we wrap up this deep dive, what's the one message?
Speaker 2:I want our listeners to remember that education is a journey, not a destination. There will be obstacles along the way.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:But with perseverance, support and a belief in their own potential, every student can achieve their dreams. Beautifully said, Thank you.
Speaker 1:And listeners remember we all have a role to play in supporting students and creating a more equitable educational landscape.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Whether it's volunteering at a local school, mentoring a young person, or simply advocating for policies that promote educational opportunity.
Speaker 2:Every action counts.
Speaker 1:Every action counts. Thank you for joining us on this incredibly insightful deep dive.
Speaker 2:Yes, thank you.
Speaker 1:We hope you gained a new perspective on the complexities of high school graduation rates and the importance of supporting students on their journey to success. Absolutely Until next time Stay curious, stay curious.
