Parenting Book: 17 18 19 Redshirting Education
Based on the forthcoming book "17 18 19: Redshirting Education" by John Chavez
Bio of John Chavez
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Retired 20+ year High Educator, 27 years as a Football & Baseball Coach, Currently TV High School Football Commentator. Father of three adult sons, older two have graduated from college, youngest a sophomore in college.
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Parenting Book: 17 18 19 Redshirting Education
Episode 7: The 3rd Grade
How could mastering fractions by third grade unlock a pathway to a thriving career in STEM? Join us as we explore the foundational role of math and reading skills in shaping future successes. We tackle the surprising complexities of fractions and their pivotal influence on mathematical proficiency and STEM readiness. Unearth the reasons why these skills are such challenging but critical building blocks, and learn why early intervention can prevent potential obstacles in advanced mathematical learning. Our conversation also touches on how reading skills, although developing more rapidly, are just as crucial in paving the way for success across numerous fields.
Beyond the numbers and letters, we journey into the heart of career exploration, emphasizing the importance of nurturing unique talents alongside essential soft skills like problem-solving and communication. From the precision demanded in engineering and computer science to the creative expertise required in art and design, foundational skills set the stage for diverse career opportunities. Embrace the twists and turns of your career path with a mindset of curiosity and adaptability. Our episode promises to inspire you to redefine success on your own terms, encouraging you to value both personal growth and professional achievements.
Welcome back to the Deep Dive. We've got some really interesting stuff to explore today. It seems like a lot of you are curious about how those skills we pick up early on end up impacting our career choices later down the line.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a fascinating connection, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Definitely so. We're going to be diving deep into some listener submitted articles. All about education and career success Sounds good. We're going to be focusing specifically on why being good at math in third grade, especially when it comes to fractions, seems to be such a strong predictor of success later on.
Speaker 2:And what that means for your potential career choices.
Speaker 1:Exactly, oh, and we're also going to be exploring this link between reading and math.
Speaker 2:Well, it seems like one might improve faster than the other.
Speaker 1:Right, there's some really interesting stuff here, so Seems like one might improve faster than the other.
Speaker 2:Right, there's some really interesting stuff here, so let's just jump right in. Okay, sounds good. These articles do raise some pretty thought-provoking questions. It's really fascinating to think about how a single year of math can have such a ripple effect on a person's future. One of the articles you sent over the NAEP report, I think it was it highlights a pretty concerning trend A five-point drop in fourth-grade math scores since 2019. Wow, that's a pretty significant drop yeah it is, and now only 36% of fourth-graders are considered proficient in math.
Speaker 1:Hmm, that does make you wonder what's going on, right? I remember finding fractions pretty tricky around that age. Why is third grade so important for math development?
Speaker 2:Well, it's all about building blocks, really Early math skills. They're foundational, and if those foundations are shaky, well it impacts everything that comes after.
Speaker 1:I see.
Speaker 2:Think about constructing a skyscraper. If the foundation's weak, the whole structure is compromised. Map concepts they work in a similar way.
Speaker 1:Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. I'm starting to see the bigger picture here, but one of the articles used a pretty interesting phrase. It called fractions the canary in the coal mine for math skills. What does that even mean?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that's a powerful metaphor. Just like canaries warned miners of danger, a student's struggle with fractions that can be an early indicator of potential difficulties in more advanced math concepts later on. Fractions aren't just about memorizing procedures, you know. They require a deeper understanding of number sense and how numbers relate to each other.
Speaker 1:So it's not just about knowing the steps to solve a fraction problem.
Speaker 2:It's about actually understanding the why behind it Exactly, and that's what makes them well. I mean, that's one of the things that makes them so conceptually challenging for young learners.
Speaker 1:Okay, so what makes fractions so challenging for young learners?
Speaker 2:Well, there are actually six key reasons why fractions can be a stumbling block.
Speaker 1:Six. Okay, well, let's hear them. What's the first one?
Speaker 2:First, there's the conceptual complexity we just touched on. You know, fractions represent relationships between parts and wholes. Let's say you're baking a cake and you need to double the recipe. Understanding fractions allows you to adjust the ingredient amounts proportionally.
Speaker 1:Right, that makes sense. Fractions aren't just numbers on a page. They're tools for understanding proportions and ratios which, like, are essential in so many real-world situations. Okay, so that's one. What's the second reason?
Speaker 2:The second reason is the shift from concrete whole numbers to abstract thinking Fractions. They require this mental leap from tangible objects to understanding parts of a whole. It's like imagine transitioning from counting apples to visualizing how much of that apple pie is left after everyone has a slice.
Speaker 1:Oh, so it's moving from the concrete to the conceptual.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:Interesting. Ok, what's the third reason?
Speaker 2:The third reason is crucial for long term success in math Fractions. They lay the foundation for algebra. A strong grasp of fractions makes learning algebra much smoother, because they both rely on something called proportional reasoning. Think about solving for Xs in an algebraic equation. Right the ability to manipulate fractions and understand their relationships. That's directly applicable to solving those equations.
Speaker 1:So mastering fractions isn't just about acing a third grade math test.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:It's about setting yourself up for success in like higher levels of math.
Speaker 2:Exactly, it's all connected.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's three. What's number four?
Speaker 2:The fourth reason is that fluency with fractions is a strong indicator of overall mathematical fluency. It's about understanding why certain procedures work and applying them in different contexts. Someone who struggles with fractions might also have difficulty applying math concepts to real-world scenarios.
Speaker 1:Like calculating a discount at a store.
Speaker 2:Exactly, or understanding interest rates.
Speaker 1:Right right. It's not just about rote memorization, it's about developing that deeper mathematical intuition. Yeah, Okay. So what's the fifth reason?
Speaker 2:This one really highlights the long-term impact. Research shows that early struggles with fractions can actually predict mass difficulties later on Third and fourth grade. Those are critical transition points, making it essential to address any fraction-related issues promptly.
Speaker 1:So it's not something kids simply grow out of.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Early intervention is key to preventing those struggles from like snowballing, exactly Okay, so we're at five reasons why fractions are so important. What's the sixth and final reason?
Speaker 2:The sixth reason is that fractions have a significant impact on something called stem readiness.
Speaker 1:Stem readiness.
Speaker 2:Think of it this way A solid understanding of fractions is like unlocking a door to exciting career paths in fields like engineering, computer science, medicine, things like that.
Speaker 1:Oh so STEM like science, technology, engineering, math.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, and these professions? They rely heavily on analytical and problem-solving skills that are honed by working with fractions.
Speaker 1:Wow, okay, that definitely paints a pretty clear picture of why mastering fractions is so important. It's about so much more than just like passing a test.
Speaker 2:Right. It really sets the stage for future success.
Speaker 1:You know, the listener also sent in articles about reading and how those skills often develop more rapidly than math skills. Why is that?
Speaker 2:That's a great question, and it's not about one being easier than the other. It has more to do with the way we acquire and practice those skills. Reading is something we're constantly exposed to from a very young age. We're surrounded by words in books, on signs, on our phones. It's constant immersion in language.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And reading builds on skills we develop early on, like listening and speaking. By the time children start learning to read, they already have a foundation in language.
Speaker 1:So it's like building a house Reading adds another level to an already existing structure, while math often introduces entirely new concepts and frameworks.
Speaker 2:Exactly, it's building on something familiar.
Speaker 1:Are there other factors at play here too?
Speaker 2:Yeah, reading also has this built-in self-correction mechanism. If you misread a word, the context of the sentence often provides clues to help you figure it out. You're constantly receiving feedback and making adjustments as you read.
Speaker 1:It's like having a built-in editor in your brain. You're constantly refining your understanding as you go. That's fascinating. Now, why does it sometimes feel like math progresses at a slower pace?
Speaker 2:One key reason is that math is incredibly cumulative. Each new concept builds on the one before it. You can't just jump into calculus without understanding the fundamentals of arithmetic right.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:It's like constructing a building Each brick is essential to support the levels above.
Speaker 1:So it's a step-by-step process. Skipping steps can lead to instability down the road.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm. And another reason is that math often requires abstract thinking which can take longer to develop. Imagine trying to grasp the concept of negative numbers, for example. It's a mental leap from the concrete world of positive quantities and, unlike reading, where we're constantly surrounded by language, opportunities to practice higher-level math concepts in everyday life, well, those are less frequent.
Speaker 1:Yeah, while you might use basic math while shopping or managing your finances, you're less likely to encounter like complex algebra or calculus in your daily routine.
Speaker 2:Exactly. It's just not as readily available in our everyday experiences.
Speaker 1:So while reading gets a constant workout, in everyday life, math often requires more structured practice and application.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:That makes a lot of sense. Now let's shift gears a bit and explore how these varying skill levels might impact career choices. If someone excels in both math and reading, what kind of careers would be a good fit?
Speaker 2:If you're strong in both math and reading, a whole world of analytical and problem-solving careers opens up Fields like engineering, computer science, finance, medicine, law. They all benefit from a solid foundation in both areas.
Speaker 1:Those are some pretty impressive career paths.
Speaker 2:They are, and they're all accessible to those who have honed those skills.
Speaker 1:But what about those of us who might not be math whizzes or literary geniuses? Are there still great career options out there for us?
Speaker 2:Absolutely. If math and reading aren't your strongest points, fear not. There are fantastic career options where other strengths are highly valued. Think about things like creativity, technical skills, hands-on abilities and interpersonal skills. Those are all incredibly valuable assets.
Speaker 1:That's reassuring. It's not all about acing standardized tests or getting perfect scores. It's about finding a path that aligns with your natural talents and passions. Can you give us some examples of those alternative career paths? Sure.
Speaker 2:Skilled trades, for example, are in high demand and offer fulfilling careers Electricians, plumbers, carpenters, mechanics they keep our world running. They might not need advanced calculus, but they require sharp problem-solving skills, spatial reasoning and often an understanding of ratios and proportions, which are built on that early understanding of fractions. Yeah, they really are. They're the backbone of our infrastructure, using their hands and their minds to build and repair the world around us.
Speaker 1:It's fascinating how many paths there are to success.
Speaker 2:It really is.
Speaker 1:We were talking earlier about how a solid understanding of fractions can be like a gateway to STEM careers. Let's dive a little deeper into what that looks like in practice. Let's take engineering, for example. Engineers use scientific principles to solve real-world problems, whether it's designing bridges, developing new technologies or optimizing complex systems. To do this, they need a strong command of math, particularly fractions, to make precise calculations and analyze data.
Speaker 2:It's all about precision.
Speaker 1:So fractions aren't just some abstract concept from third grade. They're a vital tool for engineers shaping the world around us.
Speaker 2:It's true.
Speaker 1:What about the reading component? How does that come into play in a field like engineering?
Speaker 2:Reading is essential for engineers to stay at the forefront of their field. They need to be able to understand technical documents, research papers, industry reports to stay current with the latest advancements and best practices.
Speaker 1:It's a continuous learning process, isn't it?
Speaker 2:Always.
Speaker 1:They need both the mathematical foundation and the ability to absorb complex information.
Speaker 2:What other careers benefit from this analytical skill set?
Speaker 1:Well, computer science is another great example.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, of course.
Speaker 1:This field is evolving at an incredible pace, and strong math skills are essential for tasks like coding, algorithm development, data analysis, right fractions and proportional reasoning play a big role in understanding how algorithms work and how data is structured so it's almost like they're speaking the language of computers, using math as their code in a way, yes and like engineers, I imagine staying updated in computer science requires a lot of reading.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. Computer scientists are voracious readers. They need to stay informed about new programming languages, decipher complex code and constantly adapt to the ever-changing technological landscape.
Speaker 2:It's amazing how these skills we learn early on have such a lasting impact on our career options.
Speaker 1:It's really quite remarkable.
Speaker 2:We've touched on fields that require strong analytical skills, but you also mentioned skilled trades as a great option.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:What makes them such a good path? Skilled trades are all about hands-on expertise. Think of electricians, plumbers, carpenters, mechanics. They keep our world running. They might not need advanced calculus, but they require sharp problem-solving skills, spatial reasoning and often an understanding of ratios and proportions, which are built on that early understanding of fractions.
Speaker 1:They are truly the masters of their craft, combining technical know-how with creativity and problem-solving on the fly.
Speaker 2:It's a unique blend of skills.
Speaker 1:It really shows that intelligence comes in many forms and academic success isn't the only measure of a person's potential.
Speaker 2:Right, you can be intelligent in so many different ways.
Speaker 1:What about those who lean towards creative pursuits? What are some exciting paths for them?
Speaker 2:The world of art and design is a haven for creative minds. It really is. Whether it's graphic design, photography, music production or filmmaking, these fields value originality, vision and the ability to express ideas in unique and engaging ways.
Speaker 1:It's like they're painting the world with their imaginations.
Speaker 2:That's a great way to put it.
Speaker 1:What are some of the key strengths that lead to success in these artistic fields?
Speaker 2:A keen eye for aesthetics, attention to detail and a passion for their craft are essential.
Speaker 1:It sounds like those are qualities that can't really be taught.
Speaker 2:They can be honed and refined, but often they're innate talents.
Speaker 1:They often have a natural talent for visual communication, storytelling or expressing emotions through their chosen medium.
Speaker 2:It's about finding that outlet that allows their creativity to flourish.
Speaker 1:It's incredible how these diverse skills can lead to fulfilling and impactful careers.
Speaker 2:I agree.
Speaker 1:It really highlights the importance of recognizing and nurturing all types of talent, not just those that fit neatly into traditional academic boxes.
Speaker 2:Everyone has something unique to offer.
Speaker 1:We've talked about careers that emphasize different skill sets, but what about those essential skills that are valuable across all industries?
Speaker 2:You mean like soft skills.
Speaker 1:Yes, I'm talking about those soft skills, those interpersonal qualities that help you navigate the workplace and interact effectively with others.
Speaker 2:Oh, absolutely. Soft skills, also known as interpersonal or transferable skills, are essential for success in any field.
Speaker 1:So it's not just about what you know, but how you communicate, collaborate and solve problems within a team.
Speaker 2:It's about the whole package.
Speaker 1:Can you give us some examples of those essential soft skills?
Speaker 2:Sure Communication is key. Being able to clearly articulate your ideas, listen attentively and give and receive feedback effectively is crucial. Teamwork is another big one. Collaborating with others, understanding different perspectives and working towards shared goals are highly valued in any workplace. Problem solving is also essential, as is the ability to think critically and make sound decisions.
Speaker 1:It sounds like these soft skills are the glue that holds everything together in the workplace.
Speaker 2:They really are.
Speaker 1:They're the key to building strong relationships, resolving conflicts and ultimately achieving shared success.
Speaker 2:That's a great way to summarize it.
Speaker 1:And the beauty of soft skills is that they can be learned and developed over time.
Speaker 2:Exactly. It's not like some innate talent that you either have or you don't. It's about making a conscious effort to cultivate those qualities through practice and self-awareness.
Speaker 1:That's such an encouraging message. So even if you don't consider yourself a natural communicator or a master of teamwork, you can still become more effective in those areas through conscious effort and practice.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. It's all about continuous improvement.
Speaker 1:What are some tips for developing those essential soft skills?
Speaker 2:One of the best ways to improve your soft skills is to put yourself in situations where you can practice them. Join clubs, volunteer in your community, take on leadership roles and projects. The more you interact with others, the more comfortable and confident you'll become in those interpersonal situations.
Speaker 1:It's like anything else the more you practice, the better you get. Are there any other strategies for sharpening those interpersonal skills?
Speaker 2:Absolutely. Don't be afraid to ask for feedback from colleagues, supervisors or mentors. They can offer valuable insights into your strengths and areas for improvement. Sometimes it takes an outside perspective to help us see our blind spots.
Speaker 1:That's a great point. We often have blind spots when it comes to our own behavior, and constructive feedback can be incredibly valuable. What's important is to be open to that feedback and see it as a catalyst for growth, rather than taking it personally. This has been such a rich conversation and we've covered a lot of ground today, from the surprising predictive power of third grade math to the diverse array of career paths available and now the crucial role that SOC skills play in achieving success, regardless of your chosen field. What are some key takeaways you hope our listener will walk away with?
Speaker 2:I hope they've gained a broader understanding of what it means to be successful. It's not just about acing standardized tests or following a prescribed path. It's about identifying your strengths, embracing your passions and continuously developing the skills that will help you thrive in whatever you choose to do.
Speaker 1:Beautifully said. It's about finding that intersection between your talents, your interests and the needs of the world around you, and it's about recognizing that success is a journey, not a destination. It's a process of continuous learning, growth and evolution.
Speaker 2:Exactly, and I hope our listener also recognizes the importance of those all-important soft skills.
Speaker 1:They really can make all the difference.
Speaker 2:They are the qualities that will help them build strong relationships, navigate challenges and ultimately make a positive impact in their chosen field.
Speaker 1:I couldn't agree more. Those soft skills are like the secret ingredient that can transform a good employee into a truly exceptional one.
Speaker 2:They are the difference between simply doing a job and truly excelling in it. They allow you to connect with others on a deeper level, build trust and create a more positive and productive work environment.
Speaker 1:This has been an incredibly insightful conversation. I feel like we've only just scratched the surface of this topic. Any final thoughts for our listener before we wrap up.
Speaker 2:I would encourage them to embrace a growth mindset. Believe in their ability to learn, adapt and evolve. Don't be afraid to step outside of their comfort zone, try new things and constantly challenge themselves to grow. Remember every experience. Every challenge is an opportunity to learn and develop new skills.
Speaker 1:That's such valuable advice. It's about viewing challenges as opportunities for growth and seeing setbacks as stepping stones to success. It's about having that resilience and that unwavering belief in your own potential. You know we were talking about the importance of feedback earlier. It can be a powerful tool for growth, but sometimes it can be tough to receive, even when it's, you know, well-intentioned. Do you have any advice on how to make the most of feedback?
Speaker 2:especially when it might be critical? That's a great question. It's natural to feel defensive when we receive criticism, even if it's constructive. The key is to try and detach your ego from the feedback and view it as an opportunity to learn and grow. Remember, the person giving you feedback is likely trying to help you improve, not tear you down.
Speaker 1:It's about focusing on the message, not the messenger, and sometimes that requires us to like take a step back, breathe, really listen to what's being said, even if it stings a little at first.
Speaker 2:Exactly. Try to focus on the specific behaviors or actions that are being addressed rather than taking it as a personal attack. Ask clarifying questions if something is unclear and thank the person for their honesty and their willingness to help you grow.
Speaker 1:SARAH BALDWIN it's about turning that feedback into a positive force for change. I love that this has been such an enlightening conversation. We've covered so much ground today, from those foundational math skills to diverse career paths and the power of soft skills. As we wrap up, what are some final thoughts you'd like to leave our listener with?
Speaker 2:I would say remember that the journey of learning and growth it's a lifelong endeavor. Don't be afraid to try new things, step outside of your comfort zone and embrace challenges as opportunities for growth. Your career path it's not a straight line. It's a winding road with twists and turns and sometimes detours, but each step along the way it contributes to your unique journey.
Speaker 1:What a beautiful way to put it. It's about enjoying the ride, embracing the unknown and always staying curious. And to our listener, thank you for joining us on this deep dive into the world of education and career success. We hope you found this exploration insightful and inspiring. Remember, success is not a one-size-fits-all concept. It's about defining your own path, honing your unique skills and making a meaningful contribution to the world around you. Until next time, keep exploring, keep learning and keep striving to become the best version of yourself.
